Torture

This is not a political blog. The only major issue I normally discuss that comes close to politics is racism.  BUT, this IS a blog that deals with rage.  I remember the shock of that day and then the rage the next. I would have killed anyone my leaders pointed me at that next day and I had been out of uniform for years. Rage is understandable but what you do with it defines you. We institutionalized the dark parts of rage and they festered.

So, while I rarely discuss politics, this is a case where I find I have no choice. The recent report released on torture by the CIA is different. I feel I need to say something.

TORTURE IS NOT ONLY MORALLY WRONG, IT IS INEFFECTIVE AT GETTING ANY USEFUL INFORMATION.

This means it has no useful value to the United States or our forces for any reason.

First, the base information:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/senate-report-on-cia-program-details-brutality-dishonesty/2014/12/09/1075c726-7f0e-11e4-9f38-95a187e4c1f7_story.html

Second, who HAS used it effectively and why we don’t want to be part of that club:

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/guess-who-else-tortured-people-like-the-cia-did-soviets-and-nazis-e65357a309b9

Third, another former military man (Yes, I was an officer) deals with this much better than I can:

http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/12/the-road-to-hell.html

Finally, several other articles (That will grow over time):

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/12/do-no-harm-when-doctors-torture/383677/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/the-graywashing-of-cia-torture/383633/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/11/the-chilling-psychological-principle-behind-the-cias-interrogation-methods/

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21636035-tawdry-record-facing-up-past-best-protection-future-shock-therapy

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30435652?utm_content=bufferdded2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/psychologists_role_in_the_cia_s_torture_why_these_medical_professionals.html?wpsrc=sh_all_tab_tw_ru

http://www.vice.com/read/the-psychology-of-torture-1212?utm_content=buffer8cce4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/what-makes-patriots-perpetrators-of-torture/2014/12/14/5bbaa350-8391-11e4-9534-f79a23c40e6c_story.html

If, for some bizarre reason as a Heathen, you need a Nine Noble Virtues or other justification…

IT IS CALLED HOSPITALITY FOR A REASON!

If you accept a prisoner, he becomes YOUR responsibility.

I get that we were really angry.  I would have killed whoever you pointed me at the following day (9/12). We have to be wiser and more in control of what we do than that.

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5 responses to “Torture”

  1. EmberVoices says :

    I’ve said elsewhere, and I think it’s still pertinent here:

    Torture isn’t for acquiring information. That’s an obvious lie. Torture is for breaking the will of the person being tortured.

    Torture does the same thing abuse does – it reprograms a person’s responses. But we KNOW it doesn’t do that in ways that helps us acquire accurate information, because we know it *distorts the worldview* of the person being tortured.

    I don’t really believe they thought it would get them good information. The people who designed the program were using that as an excuse. What I’m not clear on is what it was an excuse for. From what I’ve gleaned so far, I’m guessing it was an excuse to experiment with the program they had developed, but that still raises the question as to what results they were looking for…

    My point being, hopefully obviously, that it’s not enough to know that torture is wrong, and to prove that it gets us no answers, because we know the psychologists involved should have known that quite well. So there’s still something they’re not saying about WHY all this was done.

    Or do we think it’s themselves they failed to admit it to?

    -E-

    • facingthefireswithin says :

      Well said. I have no idea.

    • facingthefireswithin says :

      I added an article on the psychologists above.

      • EmberVoices says :

        Fuck. Yup, that’s it right there. Like we needed experimental proof of what happens in domestic abuse contexts every day, but apparently these sadistic monsters wanted to know just how much control they could have, and from the looks of it, how *precise* they could get.

        *Shudders* I’m sorry, but I do not for one minute believe they thought they’d get good answers this way. I think they – like some of the Nazi scientists given dispensation to conduct unethical experiments on prisoners – wanted the opportunity to conduct mind control experiments without oversight or restriction.

        Which, to be honest, is far more horrifying to me than anything they’ve claimed it was for.

        -E-

  2. facingthefireswithin says :

    In the end, this is a blog about rage. (I may actually update the original post on this, thanks for bringing this up.) I remember the shock of that day and then the rage the next. I would have killed anyone my leaders pointed me at that next day and I had been out of uniform for years. Rage is understandable but what you do with it defines you. We institutionalized the dark parts of rage and they festered.

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